Traders back calls to change Skipton High Street parking rules

Craven Herald: Sophie Tyas complained after one customer was given a parking ticket Sophie Tyas complained after one customer was given a parking ticket

Traders are backing a call to change parking rules on Skipton High Street setts on market days.

They support demands for a “full and comprehensive” review of the regulations which would allow parking if traders failed to take up their pitches by 9.30am on Saturdays, Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays.

Coun Robert Heseltine, who wants to see the changes, has proposed the idea is debated by the Craven Area Committee when it meets on Thursday, March 13.

He has likened the behaviour of traffic wardens to “piranhas hunting in a goldfish bowl.”

Skipton Town Council’s chief officer, Dave Parker, said the council’s market officer and town-centre ambassadors did what they could to warn motorists of the potential penalty if they parked on market days but it was impossible to speak to every driver.

He said: “It’s a frustrating situation. The problem occurs on days when there is a reduced market. Recently this has often been as a result of very bad weather.

“The current traffic regulations still apply on market days, regardless of whether any stalls are present,” he said.

Sophie Tyas, who has run her shop Sophie’s Handbags and Accessories in Mount Pleasant for seven years, said: “I took a straw poll of customers to get their reaction and they said it reflected badly on Skipton and did not help to encourage people to shop in the town. It seems a silly and illogical rule.

“I had one customer come in absolutely fuming after being ticketed and said she would go elsewhere in future.”

What made it even worse was that the revenue from the parking fines went to Harrogate, she added. George Bellas, of the Small Business Federation, who runs a stationery and office products firm in Skipton, said: “The federation is disappointed that High Street users are being discouraged from making use of available and unused parking spaces.

“We would be interested to further understand the economic logic of this activity and the decision to put a neighbouring council in charge of discouraging High Street users on windy wet winter days when local shops need this business most.”

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6:54pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Kay Oxtoby says...

Hello I also receive d a parking ticket for parking on the setts on a wet Monday 10 th February there was hardly any market I am a skipton resident using skipton shops I paid the fine straight away but did write to explain to Harrogate district council I received a very curt reply, but lo and behold the Wednesday and Friday after the setts were chockablock with cars but no wardens I was perplexed to understand why these days were not targeted but the rules are just the same, it's no wonder people use the supermarkets as they can park in peace
Hello I also receive d a parking ticket for parking on the setts on a wet Monday 10 th February there was hardly any market I am a skipton resident using skipton shops I paid the fine straight away but did write to explain to Harrogate district council I received a very curt reply, but lo and behold the Wednesday and Friday after the setts were chockablock with cars but no wardens I was perplexed to understand why these days were not targeted but the rules are just the same, it's no wonder people use the supermarkets as they can park in peace Kay Oxtoby

6:57pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Kay Oxtoby says...

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I receive a parking fine on a wet Monday the 10 th of February for parking on the setts using local shops, hardly any market, by Wednesday and Friday the setts were both chock a block but no wardens in site it is so confusing everyone
I I receive a parking fine on a wet Monday the 10 th of February for parking on the setts using local shops, hardly any market, by Wednesday and Friday the setts were both chock a block but no wardens in site it is so confusing everyone Kay Oxtoby

7:31pm Thu 27 Feb 14

AlliG says...

I am a Skipton resident and park on the setts to go to my hairdressers at 5.30pm when the stalls are clearing up or clearing up.... but i'm told that I am not supposed to park there till 6.45pm or I am liable to get a ticket.
This is stupid and unfair, the setts are finished with for the day and im supporting a local business.
I am a Skipton resident and park on the setts to go to my hairdressers at 5.30pm when the stalls are clearing up or clearing up.... but i'm told that I am not supposed to park there till 6.45pm or I am liable to get a ticket. This is stupid and unfair, the setts are finished with for the day and im supporting a local business. AlliG

9:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Skipton Ratepayer says...

AlliG wrote:
I am a Skipton resident and park on the setts to go to my hairdressers at 5.30pm when the stalls are clearing up or clearing up.... but i'm told that I am not supposed to park there till 6.45pm or I am liable to get a ticket.
This is stupid and unfair, the setts are finished with for the day and im supporting a local business.
This is to let the council workers clean up the market rubbish. There would soon be complaints if it were left overnight. It means that people can park by 7pm to go to evening classes or concerts or whatever, once the cleaning is done.
[quote][p][bold]AlliG[/bold] wrote: I am a Skipton resident and park on the setts to go to my hairdressers at 5.30pm when the stalls are clearing up or clearing up.... but i'm told that I am not supposed to park there till 6.45pm or I am liable to get a ticket. This is stupid and unfair, the setts are finished with for the day and im supporting a local business.[/p][/quote]This is to let the council workers clean up the market rubbish. There would soon be complaints if it were left overnight. It means that people can park by 7pm to go to evening classes or concerts or whatever, once the cleaning is done. Skipton Ratepayer

6:40am Fri 28 Feb 14

bctomuk2 says...

I have been into Skipton on one of the 'market days' when hardly any pitches are being used so I've parked on the setts. But because of the rules your constantly wondering if your going to be fined and end up cutting your trip short.

Why not just have the parking restrictions between say 7 and 9.30am to give the stalls a chance to set up first? Then parking restricted to 2hrs after that?
I have been into Skipton on one of the 'market days' when hardly any pitches are being used so I've parked on the setts. But because of the rules your constantly wondering if your going to be fined and end up cutting your trip short. Why not just have the parking restrictions between say 7 and 9.30am to give the stalls a chance to set up first? Then parking restricted to 2hrs after that? bctomuk2

5:16pm Fri 28 Feb 14

EverydayKnight says...

Penalizing traders who don't take up their pitches by 9:30 might motivate them to be slightly more punctual -- but, it may backfire, leading to people simply giving up their spots. This would, in effect, be a rather direct hit on local business -- the very thing traders in permanent shops, and shoppers, are decrying.

Perhaps, instead, some sort of financial incentive could be offered to traders who set up by 9:30 -- say, a modest percentage of what they pay for their pitch is taken off. Or, a certain percentage is added for those who consistently (more than 3 times) arrive past 9:30.

Someone mentioned having traders move their cars, once their stalls have been set up. This is a simple excellent idea, one that would open up parking for those who truly need it (seniors, those with mobility issues and others who are unable to walk/stand for extended periods).

Alternatively, Skipton could look to make at least one market day (Saturday, perhaps?) a car-free day along that particular stretch of High Street. This has worked well for other cities'/towns' market areas, including Kensington Market in Toronto, Canada. The only issue arising from that, of course, would be where to provide parking for those who require it.
Penalizing traders who don't take up their pitches by 9:30 might motivate them to be slightly more punctual -- but, it may backfire, leading to people simply giving up their spots. This would, in effect, be a rather direct hit on local business -- the very thing traders in permanent shops, and shoppers, are decrying. Perhaps, instead, some sort of financial incentive could be offered to traders who set up by 9:30 -- say, a modest percentage of what they pay for their pitch is taken off. Or, a certain percentage is added for those who consistently (more than 3 times) arrive past 9:30. Someone mentioned having traders move their cars, once their stalls have been set up. This is a simple excellent idea, one that would open up parking for those who truly need it (seniors, those with mobility issues and others who are unable to walk/stand for extended periods). Alternatively, Skipton could look to make at least one market day (Saturday, perhaps?) a car-free day along that particular stretch of High Street. This has worked well for other cities'/towns' market areas, including Kensington Market in Toronto, Canada. The only issue arising from that, of course, would be where to provide parking for those who require it. EverydayKnight

2:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Trader2014 says...

In response to EverydayKnight:- I don't think you realise that traders are there at 6.15 am onwards on most market days, unless the weather is wet and windy. Most traders pay far too much to Skipton Town Council, their shop frontage (landlord), business rates and Skipton BID fees. Don't you think the traders pay enough so why should you park for free when the setts are already paid for by the traders whether they turn up to stand for the day or not, who have also to abide by the rules and move their vehicles off when requested. The traders still pay the full amount of fees even when they are not there and take an annual holiday.

I do agree that people should be allowed to park after, say 9.30 am, when the traders have set up. If there are gaps, I agree prospective customers should be allowed to park in the gaps for a least an hour. But, I do object to Harrogate District Council ticketing as on market days, the setts are already paid for by the stallholders.
In response to EverydayKnight:- I don't think you realise that traders are there at 6.15 am onwards on most market days, unless the weather is wet and windy. Most traders pay far too much to Skipton Town Council, their shop frontage (landlord), business rates and Skipton BID fees. Don't you think the traders pay enough so why should you park for free when the setts are already paid for by the traders whether they turn up to stand for the day or not, who have also to abide by the rules and move their vehicles off when requested. The traders still pay the full amount of fees even when they are not there and take an annual holiday. I do agree that people should be allowed to park after, say 9.30 am, when the traders have set up. If there are gaps, I agree prospective customers should be allowed to park in the gaps for a least an hour. But, I do object to Harrogate District Council ticketing as on market days, the setts are already paid for by the stallholders. Trader2014

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