High Street parking chaos ‘is suicide in a town like Skipton’

Craven Herald: Coun Robert Heseltine on the setts in Skipton Coun Robert Heseltine on the setts in Skipton

Councillors and officials have pledged to put their heads together to sort out the parking chaos in Skipton High Street.

Councillors have demanded more clarity over the way the setts are policed by traffic wardens, who have been described as acting like “piranhas hunting in a goldfish bowl.”

Confused motorists were ticketed for parking in High Street earlier this winter, when market stalls were not put up because of high winds and bad weather.

Under a traffic regulation order, parking is only allowed on Tuesdays and Thursdays, with the setts exclusively for use by market traders on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

Unlimited parking is allowed on a Sunday.

Coun Robert Heseltine, who is leading the battle for new rules, wants parking to be allowed after 9.30am on market days if stallholders have failed to set up.

“We need a review of the traffic regulation order relating to the High Street,” he told the Craven Area Committee on Thursday.

“This is an issue which should never have arisen and needs correcting immediately.”

The committee had earlier heard from member of the public Mark Christiansen, who handed out photographs to illustrate his argument.

On one particular Monday only half the setts were occupied by market stalls, yet people parking in the vacant areas were ticketed, he said.

He said: “It’s economic madness. These things turn people away and it’s suicide for a town like Skipton, which relies on trade.

“I spoke to one couple who had come specifically to Skipton to enjoy a meal and to buy some jewellery at £1,700.

“But when they saw the traffic warden ticketing cars they turned and left.”

Coun Patrick Mulligan said he was particular unhappy with the way traders seemed exempt from the traffic order and often left vehicles next to their stalls all day without getting a ticket.

Coun John Kerwin-Davey said: “One of the main problems is lack of parking in the High Street. It is silliness not to allow parking on the setts when stalls are not there.

“It’s economically unsustainable and a suitable programme needs to be established as soon as possible.”

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10:17am Fri 21 Mar 14

Tudorhousebob says...

The answer lies in cheaper, simpler charges in the car parks, most of which are very close to the High St. The charges in themselves are too high but the custom of charging amounts like £1.20 per hour with no change given and no part hours allowed if you put say £1.50 in the machine is a rip off.
If we are to make shoppers/tourists/vi
sitor welcome why not just say £2 for the first 2 hours and 50p per hour thereafter. For those not intending to stay the full two hours (like us locals perhaps) make a few bays available for short stay where by there is a flat charge of £1 and a maximum stay of 1 hour.
Recent publicity about how good a place Skipton is to live should only bring more visitors. Let the shopkeepers take their money, not the Council!!
The answer lies in cheaper, simpler charges in the car parks, most of which are very close to the High St. The charges in themselves are too high but the custom of charging amounts like £1.20 per hour with no change given and no part hours allowed if you put say £1.50 in the machine is a rip off. If we are to make shoppers/tourists/vi sitor welcome why not just say £2 for the first 2 hours and 50p per hour thereafter. For those not intending to stay the full two hours (like us locals perhaps) make a few bays available for short stay where by there is a flat charge of £1 and a maximum stay of 1 hour. Recent publicity about how good a place Skipton is to live should only bring more visitors. Let the shopkeepers take their money, not the Council!! Tudorhousebob
  • Score: 14

2:52pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Skipton Ratepayer says...

The rules for parking (or not parking) on the High Street are very confusing to strangers. Maybe if the signs were a bit bigger and easy to see? Confusing visitors and then fining them is not a good way to get them to come again, and they will probably tell their friends not to come either.
The rules for parking (or not parking) on the High Street are very confusing to strangers. Maybe if the signs were a bit bigger and easy to see? Confusing visitors and then fining them is not a good way to get them to come again, and they will probably tell their friends not to come either. Skipton Ratepayer
  • Score: 8

6:17pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Mart56 says...

With a bit of imagination the council could easily sort out risk problem. First scrap the arrangement whereby parking enforcement is outsourced from Harrogate. Second employ a few people to provide assistance to visitors including advice on where they can and cannot park, they should be able to hand out parking tickets but only as a last resort. They could also multi task by providing tourist information and promoting what our town has to offer. Thirdly, as others have said, make the car parking charges simpler and more flexible. If the council say they can't do this because it will lose them money we need to challenge them.
With a bit of imagination the council could easily sort out risk problem. First scrap the arrangement whereby parking enforcement is outsourced from Harrogate. Second employ a few people to provide assistance to visitors including advice on where they can and cannot park, they should be able to hand out parking tickets but only as a last resort. They could also multi task by providing tourist information and promoting what our town has to offer. Thirdly, as others have said, make the car parking charges simpler and more flexible. If the council say they can't do this because it will lose them money we need to challenge them. Mart56
  • Score: 6

10:24am Sat 22 Mar 14

John wh says...

It is also time to sort out the bad state of repair of the setts and the legal liability. The setts outside the Craven distict council owned town hall are a typical example.
It is also time to sort out the bad state of repair of the setts and the legal liability. The setts outside the Craven distict council owned town hall are a typical example. John wh
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Mart56 says...

On Saturday we had a family afternoon in Skipton, visited the castle and High Street. Parking was no problem we used the Skipton Building Society car park which is £2-50 all day and goes to charity. Regarding parking on High Street there were lots of market traders vans an cars with disabled stickers parked on double yellow lines. Two vehicles were even parked ON the roundabout at the bottom of High Street, which is illegal whether or not you have a disabled badge. These fully deserved a parking ticket, but couldn't see any sign of one. There were other cars with disabled badges parked inconsiderately and in some cases causing an obstruction.
On Saturday we had a family afternoon in Skipton, visited the castle and High Street. Parking was no problem we used the Skipton Building Society car park which is £2-50 all day and goes to charity. Regarding parking on High Street there were lots of market traders vans an cars with disabled stickers parked on double yellow lines. Two vehicles were even parked ON the roundabout at the bottom of High Street, which is illegal whether or not you have a disabled badge. These fully deserved a parking ticket, but couldn't see any sign of one. There were other cars with disabled badges parked inconsiderately and in some cases causing an obstruction. Mart56
  • Score: 2

10:38am Mon 24 Mar 14

Ginette1 says...

On a visit to Skipton last Thursday the ticket machine malfunctioned and failed to produce a ticket or reject my £2.30. I successfully used another machine. Tourist Information gave me a Harrogate 'phone number, and an answering machine said no one was available. After 5 'phone calls I managed to speak to someone, only to be told I should have left a message and they would have 'immediately' got back to me. How was I supposed to know that? They did not ask which car park or which machine, just asked for my car registration number. Apparently the next time I visit Skipton I have to ring again, wait for them to look up my car number, and they will arrange for someone to meet me in Skipton to arrange my 'free' parking space. What happens if I live further afield and not likely to visit again? I was told this was not my business - although as a tax payer it absolutely is. It cost me £4.60 to park for 2 hours, plus repeated 'phone calls. It's RIP OFF Skipton!
On a visit to Skipton last Thursday the ticket machine malfunctioned and failed to produce a ticket or reject my £2.30. I successfully used another machine. Tourist Information gave me a Harrogate 'phone number, and an answering machine said no one was available. After 5 'phone calls I managed to speak to someone, only to be told I should have left a message and they would have 'immediately' got back to me. How was I supposed to know that? They did not ask which car park or which machine, just asked for my car registration number. Apparently the next time I visit Skipton I have to ring again, wait for them to look up my car number, and they will arrange for someone to meet me in Skipton to arrange my 'free' parking space. What happens if I live further afield and not likely to visit again? I was told this was not my business - although as a tax payer it absolutely is. It cost me £4.60 to park for 2 hours, plus repeated 'phone calls. It's RIP OFF Skipton! Ginette1
  • Score: 7

6:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mart56 says...

Ginette1 wrote:
On a visit to Skipton last Thursday the ticket machine malfunctioned and failed to produce a ticket or reject my £2.30. I successfully used another machine. Tourist Information gave me a Harrogate 'phone number, and an answering machine said no one was available. After 5 'phone calls I managed to speak to someone, only to be told I should have left a message and they would have 'immediately' got back to me. How was I supposed to know that? They did not ask which car park or which machine, just asked for my car registration number. Apparently the next time I visit Skipton I have to ring again, wait for them to look up my car number, and they will arrange for someone to meet me in Skipton to arrange my 'free' parking space. What happens if I live further afield and not likely to visit again? I was told this was not my business - although as a tax payer it absolutely is. It cost me £4.60 to park for 2 hours, plus repeated 'phone calls. It's RIP OFF Skipton!
District Coucillors please take note : if you replace the Harrogate based parking police with local employees whose priority is to help visitors to the town incidents like this could be rectified quickly without causing any undue stress. How many times has this happened before and how many people have complained or just written off the loss and left disgruntled and out of pocket?
[quote][p][bold]Ginette1[/bold] wrote: On a visit to Skipton last Thursday the ticket machine malfunctioned and failed to produce a ticket or reject my £2.30. I successfully used another machine. Tourist Information gave me a Harrogate 'phone number, and an answering machine said no one was available. After 5 'phone calls I managed to speak to someone, only to be told I should have left a message and they would have 'immediately' got back to me. How was I supposed to know that? They did not ask which car park or which machine, just asked for my car registration number. Apparently the next time I visit Skipton I have to ring again, wait for them to look up my car number, and they will arrange for someone to meet me in Skipton to arrange my 'free' parking space. What happens if I live further afield and not likely to visit again? I was told this was not my business - although as a tax payer it absolutely is. It cost me £4.60 to park for 2 hours, plus repeated 'phone calls. It's RIP OFF Skipton![/p][/quote]District Coucillors please take note : if you replace the Harrogate based parking police with local employees whose priority is to help visitors to the town incidents like this could be rectified quickly without causing any undue stress. How many times has this happened before and how many people have complained or just written off the loss and left disgruntled and out of pocket? Mart56
  • Score: 6

4:53pm Tue 25 Mar 14

pjl20 says...

Public car parks are being used as a revenue raiser by councils.

Further car parks are needed away from areas such as Skipton high street. A low-level multi-storey car park is needed to relive congested areas and rid the high street completely of parked cars. With space for 500-600 parked cars.

Charges can be justified if the money goes toward constructing alternative and better sites for car parks. An income is needed to justify the investment in a new car park.

Cars will always be with us, despite attempts to price their owners off our roads.

If you require new and better car parks, you had better get used to paying up for them. Some of us like to look at Skipton without the streets being clogged up with parked cars.
Public car parks are being used as a revenue raiser by councils. Further car parks are needed away from areas such as Skipton high street. A low-level multi-storey car park is needed to relive congested areas and rid the high street completely of parked cars. With space for 500-600 parked cars. Charges can be justified if the money goes toward constructing alternative and better sites for car parks. An income is needed to justify the investment in a new car park. Cars will always be with us, despite attempts to price their owners off our roads. If you require new and better car parks, you had better get used to paying up for them. Some of us like to look at Skipton without the streets being clogged up with parked cars. pjl20
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Skipton Ratepayer says...

pjl20 wrote:
Public car parks are being used as a revenue raiser by councils.

Further car parks are needed away from areas such as Skipton high street. A low-level multi-storey car park is needed to relive congested areas and rid the high street completely of parked cars. With space for 500-600 parked cars.

Charges can be justified if the money goes toward constructing alternative and better sites for car parks. An income is needed to justify the investment in a new car park.

Cars will always be with us, despite attempts to price their owners off our roads.

If you require new and better car parks, you had better get used to paying up for them. Some of us like to look at Skipton without the streets being clogged up with parked cars.
There have been two good opportunities to add a deck to Coach Street car park without it being higher than Gargrave Road, but no-one would do it. Years ago, when the cellars of Lower Commercial Street were being dug out, the site could easily have been made level and a top tier added. Lots of people suggested it, and it would have doubled the number of spaces at a stroke.
If the businesses in the new monstrosity behind the Town Hall fail, maybe that can be converted into a car park, with a few feet taken off the top of course.
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Public car parks are being used as a revenue raiser by councils. Further car parks are needed away from areas such as Skipton high street. A low-level multi-storey car park is needed to relive congested areas and rid the high street completely of parked cars. With space for 500-600 parked cars. Charges can be justified if the money goes toward constructing alternative and better sites for car parks. An income is needed to justify the investment in a new car park. Cars will always be with us, despite attempts to price their owners off our roads. If you require new and better car parks, you had better get used to paying up for them. Some of us like to look at Skipton without the streets being clogged up with parked cars.[/p][/quote]There have been two good opportunities to add a deck to Coach Street car park without it being higher than Gargrave Road, but no-one would do it. Years ago, when the cellars of Lower Commercial Street were being dug out, the site could easily have been made level and a top tier added. Lots of people suggested it, and it would have doubled the number of spaces at a stroke. If the businesses in the new monstrosity behind the Town Hall fail, maybe that can be converted into a car park, with a few feet taken off the top of course. Skipton Ratepayer
  • Score: 2

11:20am Wed 26 Mar 14

thegreatbeyond says...

I too remember the idea of this extra deck adding to Coach Street, but no one was for this - there was a large survey undertaken by what was known as Renaissance Town Team and came back considerably in favour for this NOT to happen - so we can't blame anyone but those who were asked/voted. I personally agree it would have been a good idea, but to possibly dig down rather than add to the top.
I too remember the idea of this extra deck adding to Coach Street, but no one was for this - there was a large survey undertaken by what was known as Renaissance Town Team and came back considerably in favour for this NOT to happen - so we can't blame anyone but those who were asked/voted. I personally agree it would have been a good idea, but to possibly dig down rather than add to the top. thegreatbeyond
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Mart56 says...

Rather than spending money on new car parks the council could lease some buses and provide a shuttle service to give people in places where the bus service is poor or non existent an option to leave the car at home. They could charge a return fare a little less than the cost of a car park ticket which should be enough to cover costs and encourage people to use the service.
Rather than spending money on new car parks the council could lease some buses and provide a shuttle service to give people in places where the bus service is poor or non existent an option to leave the car at home. They could charge a return fare a little less than the cost of a car park ticket which should be enough to cover costs and encourage people to use the service. Mart56
  • Score: 0

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