Objectors welcome Skipton superstore decision

Objectors welcome Skipton superstore decision

Objectors welcome Skipton superstore decision

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Objectors to a planned superstore on the outskirts of Skipton have welcomed a unanimous decision to turn it down.

Craven planners agreed that allowing the Sainsbury’s superstore and industrial park would mean “selling the soul” of Skipton and would destroy the very uniqueness that made it the best place in the UK to live.

Malcolm Weaving, owner of the town’s Rendezvous Hotel and spokesman for Save Skipton, said he was “over the moon” at the decision of Craven District Council.

Mr Weaving, who believed an appeal by developers Henry Boot would fail because of the level of opposition, said: “It is up to all of us to protect the High Street and keep it for what it is - the best place in the country to live.”

Monday’s packed planning meeting heard independent retail expert, Martin Tonks, advise against supporting the Wyvern Park scheme because of its significant adverse impact on the High Street. resulting in the closure of shops, the loss of vitality and the likely increase in charity shops.

It also heard from Ben Ward, regional manager of developers Henry Boot, who said the company was committed to the development, that it owned the site, had carried out extensive consultation and had sought a deferment after learning of the recommendation in an effort to answer concerns.

The “hybrid” application included detailed plans for a Sainsbury’s superstore and petrol station, eight small business units and a just under 7,000 square metre warehouse and office unit for Healthcare House.

Outline plans included a hotel, pub, restaurant and takeaway, general industry and offices.

Mr Ward said he had been particularly surprised about criticism levelled at the design of the proposed buildings, which he considered to have architectural merit.

Councillors also heard from Tim Lockett, managing director of Skipton-based Healthcare House, about his hopes to move into a new warehouse and office building within the new development.

Mr Lockett said his company was one of the fastest growing in Yorkshire and was an exemplary employer but needed space to expand.

But councillors, while firmly supporting the need for industry, were united in their opposition to the superstore.

Skipton ward councillor Paul English (Lib Dem) said the scheme was one of the most important to come before the committee for years and, although he was usually a “pro-development councillor”, he could not support the application and moved the recommendation to turn it down.

“We want industry on the site, but unfortunately, the price does not stack up for me. I don’t want to sell the soul of Skipton for it,” he said.

“Just because this is the only show in town, it does not mean we have to take it. There will be other applications that will come forward, and until the right one comes along, I can’t support it.”

Fellow Skipton councillor, John Kerwin-Davey (Ind), compared the development to an entirely new town.

“By any description, this is a new town with free parking. We know that when Aldi opened, Tesco lost out and all this will do will transfer trade from the existing town to the new town. It would be the economics of the madhouse and the only winners would be the developers who would walk away and forget us.”

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8:46am Thu 10 Apr 14

SkippyTheBushKangaroo says...

" We know that when Aldi opened, Tesco lost out and all this will do will transfer trade from the existing town to the new town"......apologies but this sounds like a Save our Tesco pitch. Replace the word town with Supermarket and it sounds more relevant. Aldi proved that a new supermarket took trade away from another supermarket. I very much doubt that Aldi took trade away from the high street. Sainsburys would've provided direct competition for Morrisons and Tesco.

Oh well.......looks like I'll be continuing to buy my Petrol (Too Expensive) and weekly shopping (Too Expensive) outside Skipton but will still get my Coffee, outdoor clothes and other bits and bobs from the high street as I usually choose to do.
" We know that when Aldi opened, Tesco lost out and all this will do will transfer trade from the existing town to the new town"......apologies but this sounds like a Save our Tesco pitch. Replace the word town with Supermarket and it sounds more relevant. Aldi proved that a new supermarket took trade away from another supermarket. I very much doubt that Aldi took trade away from the high street. Sainsburys would've provided direct competition for Morrisons and Tesco. Oh well.......looks like I'll be continuing to buy my Petrol (Too Expensive) and weekly shopping (Too Expensive) outside Skipton but will still get my Coffee, outdoor clothes and other bits and bobs from the high street as I usually choose to do. SkippyTheBushKangaroo
  • Score: 30

12:14pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Em86 says...

Such a shame that this was turned down. I was in Skipton on Saturday last week and it was heaving. Sainsbury's would not compete with any of the shops in the town centre. People don't visit Skipton to shop at a supermarket and that wouldn't change.

Consumers choose where to do their food shopping, supermarkets don't force shoppers into their doors.
Such a shame that this was turned down. I was in Skipton on Saturday last week and it was heaving. Sainsbury's would not compete with any of the shops in the town centre. People don't visit Skipton to shop at a supermarket and that wouldn't change. Consumers choose where to do their food shopping, supermarkets don't force shoppers into their doors. Em86
  • Score: 26

1:00pm Thu 10 Apr 14

willow_wanderer says...

I havent seen a single arguement that explains "how" the store OR the development would affect the high street.

Amusing the "save skipton" was organised and headed by a direct competitor..does the fella live anywhere near the development..I doubt it!

Such a shame that a devoplement that would enhance the local amenities and access for the LOCAL people has been turned down by BUSINESS people NOT living anywhere near it :(
I havent seen a single arguement that explains "how" the store OR the development would affect the high street. Amusing the "save skipton" was organised and headed by a direct competitor..does the fella live anywhere near the development..I doubt it! Such a shame that a devoplement that would enhance the local amenities and access for the LOCAL people has been turned down by BUSINESS people NOT living anywhere near it :( willow_wanderer
  • Score: 30

2:32pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Debacle says...

We already have 2 so called 'Supermarkets' in Skipton with in my opinion Tesco being the worst, does not stock full product ranges, has gaps in sold out product filled with other goods incorrectly labelled, prices on shelves not same as prices charged at checkout, too mant bogoffs or 3 for price of 2 etcetera when all you really need is one at a sensible price. Don't have the same problems at Aldi and their stuff is lower in price, pity it is so far from the town centre.
We already have 2 so called 'Supermarkets' in Skipton with in my opinion Tesco being the worst, does not stock full product ranges, has gaps in sold out product filled with other goods incorrectly labelled, prices on shelves not same as prices charged at checkout, too mant bogoffs or 3 for price of 2 etcetera when all you really need is one at a sensible price. Don't have the same problems at Aldi and their stuff is lower in price, pity it is so far from the town centre. Debacle
  • Score: 20

2:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

stone_174 says...

Save the High Street? From another glut of Outdoor outlets, Charity shops and Tea rooms? Sometimes I worry the Craven planners are concerned only with the number of tourists that visit Skipton, neglecting the residents and their views.
Yes, I'd be concerned about the noise impact on the nearby crematorium... but hang on... we built a bypass right next to it; a bypass that would now benefit from a roundabout half way along it's length.
As for Mr. Weaving... would he be worried about another hotel on the development? Whatever happened to healthy competition?
And with regards the supermarkets, I'll continue to drive to Keighley for Asda's cheaper range and wider variety. I'll fill up with diesel there too.
Such a shame... a supermarket, hotel and a handful of units only equals a 'new town' in the blinkered eyes of our Councillors. They want new industry in the town... tell us where they'd like it!
Save the High Street? From another glut of Outdoor outlets, Charity shops and Tea rooms? Sometimes I worry the Craven planners are concerned only with the number of tourists that visit Skipton, neglecting the residents and their views. Yes, I'd be concerned about the noise impact on the nearby crematorium... but hang on... we built a bypass right next to it; a bypass that would now benefit from a roundabout half way along it's length. As for Mr. Weaving... would he be worried about another hotel on the development? Whatever happened to healthy competition? And with regards the supermarkets, I'll continue to drive to Keighley for Asda's cheaper range and wider variety. I'll fill up with diesel there too. Such a shame... a supermarket, hotel and a handful of units only equals a 'new town' in the blinkered eyes of our Councillors. They want new industry in the town... tell us where they'd like it! stone_174
  • Score: 37

2:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Frealism says...

Stinks doesn't it. The council is so out of touch with what people want and actually object to. Rendezvous Hotel - never had an impact on local guest houses nearer the center of town has it? Well that's the last time I book or recommend a function there. I think Malcolm has overstepped the mark on this one and totally misjudged local feelings as he did with being vocal about the much needed work to cut back trees outside of Guyson.

Business's should not be able to dictate to a community what they will actually allow that community to have access to.
Stinks doesn't it. The council is so out of touch with what people want and actually object to. Rendezvous Hotel - never had an impact on local guest houses nearer the center of town has it? Well that's the last time I book or recommend a function there. I think Malcolm has overstepped the mark on this one and totally misjudged local feelings as he did with being vocal about the much needed work to cut back trees outside of Guyson. Business's should not be able to dictate to a community what they will actually allow that community to have access to. Frealism
  • Score: 34

4:57pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Charliethechinchilla says...

I am amazed in that in this time of recession- a council turns down planning applications that would bring greater competition to the existing supermarket/petrol outlets and ensure competitive prices are offered to assist its residents making their income go further, that existing local businesses have room to expand and give much needed employment, that gives local firms the chance to be involved in its construction- I cannot think of one satisfactory reason why this appeal was turned down and no doubt the residents will now have to bear the cost of the appeal- and appeal the developers will- they only have to look to comments on this site to show that the residents are in favour.
I am amazed in that in this time of recession- a council turns down planning applications that would bring greater competition to the existing supermarket/petrol outlets and ensure competitive prices are offered to assist its residents making their income go further, that existing local businesses have room to expand and give much needed employment, that gives local firms the chance to be involved in its construction- I cannot think of one satisfactory reason why this appeal was turned down and no doubt the residents will now have to bear the cost of the appeal- and appeal the developers will- they only have to look to comments on this site to show that the residents are in favour. Charliethechinchilla
  • Score: 27

7:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

White Rhino says...

If they appeal they have a strong chance of winning. If it is the supermarket they dislike then they can restrict it's size and range to 'protect' the high street.
I remember these objections were exactly the same for Morrisons and Tesco's, the high st has its own appeal that a bland superstore could never have.
If they appeal they have a strong chance of winning. If it is the supermarket they dislike then they can restrict it's size and range to 'protect' the high street. I remember these objections were exactly the same for Morrisons and Tesco's, the high st has its own appeal that a bland superstore could never have. White Rhino
  • Score: 15

8:05pm Thu 10 Apr 14

GeordieYorkshire says...

I was very excited at the prospect of a new development on the outskirts of Skipton and am therefore very disappointed to hear the plans have been quashed by direct competition. Owner of a hotel objecting to a hotel - what a shock! Tesco and Morrisons objecting to a sainsburys - even more shocking! Given that Skipton has just been regarded as number 1 place to live it feels like the residents have no say in the plans for the area. You've allowed a chain pizza store to open, yet another chain of outdoor shops to open - both directly in the centre. I suggest the council take a hard look at the high street and concentrate on the basics like cleanliness. Visitors WILL go home and tell others about the huge quantities of dog mess and litter, they don't go back and say "Oh heavens, Skipton has a sainsburys!" Sainsburys might also have offered some exciting job prospects for the local youth, they cant all get saturday jobs in charity shops and coffee shops can they.
I was very excited at the prospect of a new development on the outskirts of Skipton and am therefore very disappointed to hear the plans have been quashed by direct competition. Owner of a hotel objecting to a hotel - what a shock! Tesco and Morrisons objecting to a sainsburys - even more shocking! Given that Skipton has just been regarded as number 1 place to live it feels like the residents have no say in the plans for the area. You've allowed a chain pizza store to open, yet another chain of outdoor shops to open - both directly in the centre. I suggest the council take a hard look at the high street and concentrate on the basics like cleanliness. Visitors WILL go home and tell others about the huge quantities of dog mess and litter, they don't go back and say "Oh heavens, Skipton has a sainsburys!" Sainsburys might also have offered some exciting job prospects for the local youth, they cant all get saturday jobs in charity shops and coffee shops can they. GeordieYorkshire
  • Score: 26

8:50pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Skipton Ratepayer says...

Did the people commenting above each write to the CDC Planning department with their support for the scheme? Lots of people who opposed the scheme did, so how can they claim to represent the people of the town?
Did they attend the Planning Committee meeting? If so, they will have seen the feelings of those who did, and the Councillors, all opposed to it, and the feeble case put up by the developers.
As regards the pizza place, no-one wanted that either but someone from down south came and over-ruled local opinion. Is that what you all want?
Did the people commenting above each write to the CDC Planning department with their support for the scheme? Lots of people who opposed the scheme did, so how can they claim to represent the people of the town? Did they attend the Planning Committee meeting? If so, they will have seen the feelings of those who did, and the Councillors, all opposed to it, and the feeble case put up by the developers. As regards the pizza place, no-one wanted that either but someone from down south came and over-ruled local opinion. Is that what you all want? Skipton Ratepayer
  • Score: -32

10:25pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Charliethechinchilla says...

Unfortunately I couldn't go to the planning meeting as I work full time on a shift basis. However, if Henry Boot ask for residents supporting views or perhaps to sign a petition in support then I, my family and my friends would sign it. The only person I know who told me they objected was a local estate agent.
Unfortunately I couldn't go to the planning meeting as I work full time on a shift basis. However, if Henry Boot ask for residents supporting views or perhaps to sign a petition in support then I, my family and my friends would sign it. The only person I know who told me they objected was a local estate agent. Charliethechinchilla
  • Score: 25

9:34am Fri 11 Apr 14

ZoidbergDR says...

Skipton Ratepayer wrote:
Did the people commenting above each write to the CDC Planning department with their support for the scheme? Lots of people who opposed the scheme did, so how can they claim to represent the people of the town?
Did they attend the Planning Committee meeting? If so, they will have seen the feelings of those who did, and the Councillors, all opposed to it, and the feeble case put up by the developers.
As regards the pizza place, no-one wanted that either but someone from down south came and over-ruled local opinion. Is that what you all want?
I certainly DO want the pizza place, I think it’s great that restaurant chain has opened in Skipton. Don’t get me wrong I don’t want an influx of chains but the food that is served there is usually of a high quality and reasonably priced. I will defiantly be eating there as I will all the other locally owned restaurants. It’s been a long time since a development in Skipton has been beneficial to the people who actually live in the town.
[quote][p][bold]Skipton Ratepayer[/bold] wrote: Did the people commenting above each write to the CDC Planning department with their support for the scheme? Lots of people who opposed the scheme did, so how can they claim to represent the people of the town? Did they attend the Planning Committee meeting? If so, they will have seen the feelings of those who did, and the Councillors, all opposed to it, and the feeble case put up by the developers. As regards the pizza place, no-one wanted that either but someone from down south came and over-ruled local opinion. Is that what you all want?[/p][/quote]I certainly DO want the pizza place, I think it’s great that restaurant chain has opened in Skipton. Don’t get me wrong I don’t want an influx of chains but the food that is served there is usually of a high quality and reasonably priced. I will defiantly be eating there as I will all the other locally owned restaurants. It’s been a long time since a development in Skipton has been beneficial to the people who actually live in the town. ZoidbergDR
  • Score: 8

12:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

TheGerihatrick says...

I really, really hope they appeal. This decision should never have been railroaded by a load of business people who don't want any competition.
If they think they have enough food outlets why did they allow a Jack Fultons in the centre?
keighley has an Aldi, an Asda, an Iceland, a Homebargains, a Morrisons, a Farm Foods, a Sainsburys and I don't see any of them going out of business.
It's all about competition - it's healthy.
I really, really hope they appeal. This decision should never have been railroaded by a load of business people who don't want any competition. If they think they have enough food outlets why did they allow a Jack Fultons in the centre? keighley has an Aldi, an Asda, an Iceland, a Homebargains, a Morrisons, a Farm Foods, a Sainsburys and I don't see any of them going out of business. It's all about competition - it's healthy. TheGerihatrick
  • Score: 18

1:46pm Fri 11 Apr 14

willow_wanderer says...

Skipton Ratepayer wrote:
Did the people commenting above each write to the CDC Planning department with their support for the scheme? Lots of people who opposed the scheme did, so how can they claim to represent the people of the town?
Did they attend the Planning Committee meeting? If so, they will have seen the feelings of those who did, and the Councillors, all opposed to it, and the feeble case put up by the developers.
As regards the pizza place, no-one wanted that either but someone from down south came and over-ruled local opinion. Is that what you all want?
I did write my opinion in to the planning office.

I did not attend on the day unfortunately as I could not get the time off work - which makes me unqalified to comment on the meeting.
[quote][p][bold]Skipton Ratepayer[/bold] wrote: Did the people commenting above each write to the CDC Planning department with their support for the scheme? Lots of people who opposed the scheme did, so how can they claim to represent the people of the town? Did they attend the Planning Committee meeting? If so, they will have seen the feelings of those who did, and the Councillors, all opposed to it, and the feeble case put up by the developers. As regards the pizza place, no-one wanted that either but someone from down south came and over-ruled local opinion. Is that what you all want?[/p][/quote]I did write my opinion in to the planning office. I did not attend on the day unfortunately as I could not get the time off work - which makes me unqalified to comment on the meeting. willow_wanderer
  • Score: 10

6:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Debacle says...

TheGerihatrick wrote:
I really, really hope they appeal. This decision should never have been railroaded by a load of business people who don't want any competition.
If they think they have enough food outlets why did they allow a Jack Fultons in the centre?
keighley has an Aldi, an Asda, an Iceland, a Homebargains, a Morrisons, a Farm Foods, a Sainsburys and I don't see any of them going out of business.
It's all about competition - it's healthy.
I'll agree when they compete not only between themselves (if they actually do) but also with Aldi and Lidl on prices
[quote][p][bold]TheGerihatrick[/bold] wrote: I really, really hope they appeal. This decision should never have been railroaded by a load of business people who don't want any competition. If they think they have enough food outlets why did they allow a Jack Fultons in the centre? keighley has an Aldi, an Asda, an Iceland, a Homebargains, a Morrisons, a Farm Foods, a Sainsburys and I don't see any of them going out of business. It's all about competition - it's healthy.[/p][/quote]I'll agree when they compete not only between themselves (if they actually do) but also with Aldi and Lidl on prices Debacle
  • Score: 16

8:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

giggleloader says...

Morrisons and Tesco needn't have worried about losing my trade - if the project doesn't go ahead, I'll continue to drive past Skipton, to Sainsburys in Keighley!
Morrisons and Tesco needn't have worried about losing my trade - if the project doesn't go ahead, I'll continue to drive past Skipton, to Sainsburys in Keighley! giggleloader
  • Score: 12

9:39pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Mart56 says...

Judging by some of the comments above and the thumbs up they received there are a lot of people in favour of the development. The problem is they didn't speak up in favour of it when they needed to. When the developers submit their appeal if people really want it to go ahead they should speak up and make their views known. Maybe if those against are so confident nobody wants a Sainsburys their next petition will give those in favour a chance to register their opinion. Personally I have no strong opinion either way, I just don't like people making statements on my behalf, ie nobody wants Sainsburys, without consulting me first.
Judging by some of the comments above and the thumbs up they received there are a lot of people in favour of the development. The problem is they didn't speak up in favour of it when they needed to. When the developers submit their appeal if people really want it to go ahead they should speak up and make their views known. Maybe if those against are so confident nobody wants a Sainsburys their next petition will give those in favour a chance to register their opinion. Personally I have no strong opinion either way, I just don't like people making statements on my behalf, ie nobody wants Sainsburys, without consulting me first. Mart56
  • Score: -2

11:56am Sat 12 Apr 14

veryannoyed99 says...

The comments about whether or not Skipton can sustain another supermarket without adversely affecting trade on the High Street is one thing but its the location of this proposed development that the locals should also concern themselves with too. Wrapping it around the crematorium will not only restrict any future expansion (which has already been identified as a need by the Council), but also irrevocably change its nature. Standing in the Memorial Garden, sunken as it is, one cannot see the bypass only the wonderful views across to the hills. Very uplifting for the bereaved. Also the sheer expanse of building and car parking proposed will adversely affect the already poor flood alleviation infrastructure affecting this part of Skipton the surrounding villages and roads and if this is to be appealed I suggest the Planners and Councillors concentrate very hard on tying the developer down legally and in engineering terms to specific and significant flood attenuation both on and off site. Or better still change the zoning of the site to something that is feasible
The comments about whether or not Skipton can sustain another supermarket without adversely affecting trade on the High Street is one thing but its the location of this proposed development that the locals should also concern themselves with too. Wrapping it around the crematorium will not only restrict any future expansion (which has already been identified as a need by the Council), but also irrevocably change its nature. Standing in the Memorial Garden, sunken as it is, one cannot see the bypass only the wonderful views across to the hills. Very uplifting for the bereaved. Also the sheer expanse of building and car parking proposed will adversely affect the already poor flood alleviation infrastructure affecting this part of Skipton the surrounding villages and roads and if this is to be appealed I suggest the Planners and Councillors concentrate very hard on tying the developer down legally and in engineering terms to specific and significant flood attenuation both on and off site. Or better still change the zoning of the site to something that is feasible veryannoyed99
  • Score: 1

9:21pm Mon 14 Apr 14

carrotmuseum says...

Frankly the High Street is already dying and Sainsburys, or other store would not change that. Morrisons and Tesco fear competition when the truth is neither of them have anything to fear from a Sainsburys BUT they should and do ALL fear Aldi who now get all my business, and from many other former supermarket shoppers, because the current Skipton supermarkts are simply not up to scratch.
I am simply amazed that any town in the current financial climate can turn away a major development, but then a town like Skipton clearly prefers to have an irrelevant bike race come through town than to respect and commemorate its own culture and history and abandon its very own Sheep Day.
Pity Poor Skipton is the cry we will soon hear - once a great town but very short sighted.
Can it really do without a huge boost to the council Tax coffers which a new development would bring?

Ah well soon be election time!
Frankly the High Street is already dying and Sainsburys, or other store would not change that. Morrisons and Tesco fear competition when the truth is neither of them have anything to fear from a Sainsburys BUT they should and do ALL fear Aldi who now get all my business, and from many other former supermarket shoppers, because the current Skipton supermarkts are simply not up to scratch. I am simply amazed that any town in the current financial climate can turn away a major development, but then a town like Skipton clearly prefers to have an irrelevant bike race come through town than to respect and commemorate its own culture and history and abandon its very own Sheep Day. Pity Poor Skipton is the cry we will soon hear - once a great town but very short sighted. Can it really do without a huge boost to the council Tax coffers which a new development would bring? Ah well soon be election time! carrotmuseum
  • Score: 11

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