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Settle Festival organisers have failed in their attempt to stage an event this year.
Craven District Council licensing committee members have decided to refuse a licence on the grounds of public safety, protection of children from harm, preventing crime and disorder and the prevention of public nuisance.
Following a two-day public hearing in which the panel heard from festival organiser Mark Dale, objectors and supporters, the committee decided today to reject the application after failing to be satisfied on all four concerns.
In its decision notification, the committee stated: "North Yorkshire Police and interested parties in particular had raised substantial issues and objections based on all four of the licensing objectives.
"The committee heard little from Mr Dale that would rebut those concerns. The committee decided that it was not workable to address what was a substantial number of concerns with conditions and, therefore, determined that it was necessary to reject the application."
Mr Dale said he was deeply disappointed' with the result and felt particularly upset for all the hard work people had put in.
He has the right to appeal against the decision in a magistrates' court.
"At the moment we don't know whether we will be appealing or not. I will have to speak to advisors before deciding anything," he said.
See next Friday's Craven Herald for full story and reactions.
Michelle Vincent, Rathmell says...
3:05pm Fri 22 Feb 08
Robert Ingham, says...
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Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
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Mark, Austwick, UK says...
11:42pm Fri 22 Feb 08
Andy, Barnoldswick says...
6:52am Sat 23 Feb 08
michaela ireton, ingleton says...
8:17am Sat 23 Feb 08
C. Niall Dekkay, Settle says...
8:53am Sat 23 Feb 08
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
9:33am Sat 23 Feb 08
Andy, Barnoldswick says...
10:47am Sat 23 Feb 08
James Eddleston, London says...
10:53am Sat 23 Feb 08
Trev Anderson, yorks says...
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karen, Leeds says...
11:13am Sat 23 Feb 08
Rob, Redcar says...
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Marie, Northallerton says...
11:27am Sat 23 Feb 08
Dave, Giggleswick says...
11:35am Sat 23 Feb 08
James, Gigg says...
11:53am Sat 23 Feb 08
impartial, Settle says...
12:42pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Dave, Settle says...
12:59pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Jack, Skipton says...
2:03pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Paul Taylor wrote:Erm, what do you think people have been doing??? We're well aware that festivals need to be planned and organised! The problem with craven council is the majority of it's members have absoloubtly no concept of reality. They've all been in their positions far too long and need replacing with younger, brighter members (and no, i'm suggesting put a load of so called yobs on the council). Please go to appeal Mark, put some life back into this area!!!
I applaud the CDC Committee for making what for many will be an umpopular but nonetheless the right decision. Any event such as the one proposed has to be professionaly planned and organised.
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
2:15pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Anon, Settle says...
3:09pm Sat 23 Feb 08
B Waters, Steton says...
4:03pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Paul, says...
4:10pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Jack wrote:Over 2 years at it and the plan was totally flawed, lacking in substance and potemtially dangerous. Its no good blaming the council for someone elses shortfalls
Paul Taylor wrote: I applaud the CDC Committee for making what for many will be an umpopular but nonetheless the right decision. Any event such as the one proposed has to be professionaly planned and organised.Erm, what do you think people have been doing??? We\\\\\\\'re well aware that festivals need to be planned and organised! The problem with craven council is the majority of it\\\\\\\'s members have absoloubtly no concept of reality. They\\\\\\\'ve all been in their positions far too long and need replacing with younger, brighter members (and no, i\\\\\\\'m suggesting put a load of so called yobs on the council). Please go to appeal Mark, put some life back into this area!!!
Tom, Chicago says...
6:41pm Sat 23 Feb 08
David Walker, Settle says...
7:04pm Sat 23 Feb 08
johnny, NE Scotland says...
7:21pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Peter Scott-Smith, Long Preston says...
7:50pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Duncan, Draughton says...
9:55pm Sat 23 Feb 08
music lover, skipton says...
10:33pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Hardy Knockers and Willy Feeler, Sheffield says...
1:21am Sun 24 Feb 08
Mark Dale - Settle Festival Organiser, Settle says...
2:07am Sun 24 Feb 08
Budgie, christchurch, new zealand says...
4:29am Sun 24 Feb 08
Peter Scott-Smith, Long Preston says...
8:47am Sun 24 Feb 08
music lover wrote:Yep, true, I'm willing to stand and be counted when I believe it's right to do so. Moreover, anonymous 'Music Lover', I've got the guts to put my name to my opinions. Unlike you!
<b> What Scott-Smith fails to say is that he was at the hearing and spoke out as a strong objector. He was boring then too.</b>
Michael Ritchie, Long Preston says...
11:09am Sun 24 Feb 08
Damian McKay, Ingleton says...
3:20pm Sun 24 Feb 08
Jeff, Lancaster says...
4:22pm Sun 24 Feb 08
C. Niall Dekkay wrote:How can you be such a sad, heartless, boring, dull person?
Poor Mark Dale – all together now – aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh! All that hard work and selfless community spirit devoted to dragging Settle and surrounding area out of the Dark Ages and save its fun-starved young folk from death by boredom at the hands of the mind-munching Zimmer Zombies. Instead, the Salvation of Settle lay in resurrecting such over-the-hill acts as Madness, Status Quo and The Stranglers. Forget the crap about a \"Family Event\" – of the expected 20,000 visitors daily how many would come to hear a poetry-reading or watch a play by a group of frustrated local thespians? Or to spend their moolah in Settle\'s shops and pubs? **** few, believe it. The aim of Mark and his low-profile businessmen supporters was to keep as many people as possible onsite in order to milk their booze and catering monopoly. But while yammering long and loud about \"regenerating\" the Settle area Mark and his commercial partners have kept mysteriously quiet about the fact that their overriding aim was to enrich themselves to the tune of (potentially) several hundreds of thousands of pounds. Credit where it\'s due, though. Mark has done a darn fine job of whipping up public support via MySpace, Bebo, eFestivals and other sites – most of whose visitors couldn\'t even find Settle on a map. I\'ll grant you Mark, you put a helluva lot of time and effort into this. But its wasn\'t for the benefit of Settle and its young people. Wrong site, wrong acts, wrong business plan (if there was one?), wrong partners and wrong motives. Back to the drawing board!
MISUNDERSTOOD, says...
8:22pm Sun 24 Feb 08
7. The Committee considered that it was necessary to reject the application for the premises licence so as to promote the four licensing objectives under the Act –
1) The prevention of crime and disorder
2) The prevention of public nuisance
3) Public safety
4) The protection of children from harm
8. In reaching this decision the Committee had regard to the provisions of the Licensing Act 2003, guidance issued under the Act and the CouncilÂ’s licensing policy
9. In arriving at its decision, the Committee disregarded any information and/or submissions which were not relevant to the licensing objectives under the 2003 Act.
10. In reaching this decision and in considering the application, the statutory representations and the oral evidence presented, the Committee were mindful of the scope to address issues through conditions and that any condition had to be necessary.
REASONS
11. In terms of the licensing objectives, a large number of issues were raised in the relevant representations, and considered. The Committee considered that the following were the principal issues that had been raised by the representations -
1) Roads and the Suitability of the Site.
2) Congestion.
3) Issues of Flooding, the River Ribble, Watercourses and Culverts.
4) Sound levels and Nuisance.
5) Planning and Management of the Event.
6) Staffing, Security and Stewarding.
7) Criminal Activity (On and Off the Site).
8) Children and Vulnerable People.
12. In terms of those issues, the Committee determined the following –
1) Roads and the Suitability of Site. Although a traffic management plan had been submitted, the Committee considered this to be inadequate . The plan did not properly address the A65 and pedestrians. The Committee was of the opinion that although Mr Dale had stated his intention to provide crossing points, lighting, traffic lights and stewards, there was nothing in place before them which provided certainty regarding the content of any amended traffic plan and in so far as it could, intended to address the dangers posed to festival goers, pedestrians and other road users on the A65. The suitability of Rathmell Road was also a concern to the Committee bearing in mind the absence of pavements/pedestrian
s walk areas and associated dangers to pedestrians. In reaching this view, the Committee accepted the points raised in this regard by the North Yorkshire Police and interested parties.
2) Congestion. The A65 is the main spinal route within Craven and also links West Yorkshire to Kendal and the Lakes. The Committee was of the view that the Festival would lead to congestion on this route and measures such as the introduction of temporary traffic lights on the Settle Bypass would add to this congestion. The Committee was concerned and accepted points raised in the representations that the resulting congestion could impact on the ability of the emergency services to respond to a road traffic accident or other medical emergency in the area concerned to an unacceptable degree . Again, the Committee considered that a clear traffic management plan was not available to the Committee .
3) Flood issues, River Ribble, Watercourses and Culverts. The Committee accepted that the risks posed by the presence of culverts and water courses within the site could be addressed by conditions and the use of fencing and other measures. However, having received and heard submissions from those familiar with the site, they were of the view that in the absence of risk assessments and site evacuation plans the risks and dangers posed to persons on the site, particularly the campsites, as a result of flooding and standing water were not adequately addressed within the plans and the documentation before the Committee.
4) Sound Levels and Noise Nuisance. Having considered representations and the evidence presented by Mr Pickles (the Senior Environmental Health Officer) and Mr Fairclough and whilst acknowledging Mr DaleÂ’s response to those representations and evidence, the Committee concluded that they did not consider that Mr Dale would be able to control noise from the event to the extent that it would not cause nuisance to residents. The Committee noted that Mr Dale said that he would engage the services of Capita Symonds to assist with sound levels but again the Committee had not seen any information and/or plans to allow this to be considered.
5) Planning and Management of the Event. Given the scale and extent of the event, the Committee concluded that the event safety management plan and operating schedule before them was too generic , was not sufficiently advanced and contained insufficient data in terms of policies, procedures and plans to enable them to be assured that Mr Dale was able to satisfy the four licensing objectives under the Act. Mrs Longfield on behalf of the Festival Action Group submitted that the policies were generic and not site specific. The Committee agreed with that. Examples of the policies/documents etc not available to the Committee, or incomplete are-
a) Traffic management plan (including pedestrian plan).
b) Risk assessments.
c) Site evacuation plans .
d) Health and safety plan.
e) Eviction policy.
f) Drugs policy .
g) Major incident plan.
6) Staffing, Security and Stewarding. The Committee was concerned at the absence of information in relation to issues highlighted within the representations submitted by North Yorkshire Police . Again, they concluded that the application and supporting management plan contained insufficient detail to give them satisfaction as to the arrangements to be put in place. No site specific arrangements existed.
7) Criminal Activity (On and Off Site) . Again in the absence of sufficient detail within the management plan, absence of clarity on the likely audience profile and taking account of the representations submitted and presented by the North Yorkshire Police , the Committee concluded that they were not in a position to adequately judge at this time Mr DaleÂ’s ability to address the concerns of the Police and residents in relation to the prevention of crime and disorder. Mr Dale referred to the offer of policing from British Transport Police, but again the Committee had not been provided with any detailed information or procedures in this regard.
8) Children and Vulnerable People . Bearing in mind the scale and extent of the event applied for by Mr Dale and the representations submitted by North Yorkshire Police , the Licensing Committee concluded that the management plan lacked clarity on how issues associated with the safety and welfare of children and vulnerable people are to be addressed.
13. North Yorkshire Police and the Interested Parties in particular had raised substantial issues and objections based on all four of the licensing objectives. The Committee heard little from Mr Dale that would rebut those concerns. The Committee decided that it was not workable to address, what was a substantial number of, concerns with conditions and therefore determined that it was necessary to reject the application. Furthermore, the Committee was of the view that it was not able to assess what would be workable conditions given the inadequacy of the documents produced by Mr Dale and the absence before them of important information . The Committee concluded that it was necessary to reject the application to promote the objectives.
14. The application by Mr Dale for a premises licence is therefore rejected.
Sarah, Giggleswick says...
8:41pm Sun 24 Feb 08
Steve Burke, Burnley says...
9:04pm Sun 24 Feb 08
ellie, settle says...
10:42pm Sun 24 Feb 08
Rob, Redcar says...
11:11am Mon 25 Feb 08
Dave, Settle says...
11:17am Mon 25 Feb 08
Concerned, Peckham says...
12:23pm Mon 25 Feb 08
B A I N O, Blackburn says...
12:24pm Mon 25 Feb 08
B A I N O, Blackburn says...
12:32pm Mon 25 Feb 08
B A I N O, blackburn says...
12:39pm Mon 25 Feb 08
A Resident, Giggleswick says...
2:22pm Mon 25 Feb 08
Concerned wrote:It was because the organisational controls were not in place that the application was rejected..it was the applicants inabililty to deliver a credible proposal on a credible site that was its downfall.. after two years planning and still woefully short, maybe people should ask questions not of those had reservations, but of those who, with no shortage of financial backing, still failed to deliver anything more than a concept
SirsÂ….. Does it not concern Craven District Council that in light of the large exposure which this event has had over the last two years and with only minor further e-exposure on websites such as My-space and E-festivals, there is a real prospect of an unofficial event taking place somewhere in the district, regardless of what NIMBYs would like? Such an event would not be subject to security checks, organisational control, health and safety law and facilities, proper policing and stewardship which the proposed official event would have had. Maybe local people need only to cast their minds back to the days of the Ribblehead free festival in the mid 80Â’s to get a perspective of what alternative events may occur this August. Who knows, even Hawkwind might turn up and do a set at the end! Nuff SaidÂ…..
Concerned, Peckham says...
2:47pm Mon 25 Feb 08
A Resident wrote:Sirs...
<b>Concerned wrote:It was because the organisational controls were not in place that the application was rejected..it was the applicants inabililty to deliver a credible proposal on a credible site that was its downfall.. after two years planning and still woefully short, maybe people should ask questions not of those had reservations, but of those who, with no shortage of financial backing, still failed to deliver anything more than a concept</b>
SirsÂ….. Does it not concern Craven District Council that in light of the large exposure which this event has had over the last two years and with only minor further e-exposure on websites such as My-space and E-festivals, there is a real prospect of an unofficial event taking place somewhere in the district, regardless of what NIMBYs would like? Such an event would not be subject to security checks, organisational control, health and safety law and facilities, proper policing and stewardship which the proposed official event would have had. Maybe local people need only to cast their minds back to the days of the Ribblehead free festival in the mid 80Â’s to get a perspective of what alternative events may occur this August. Who knows, even Hawkwind might turn up and do a set at the end! Nuff SaidÂ…..
A Resident, says...
3:57pm Mon 25 Feb 08
Jack, Bentham, yorkshire says...
4:12pm Mon 25 Feb 08
Jax, Shropshire says...
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Dom, Skipton says...
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Tom, Skipton says...
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Charlie, Barroford says...
8:50pm Mon 25 Feb 08
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
9:29am Tue 26 Feb 08
C. Niall Dekkay, Settle says...
10:38am Tue 26 Feb 08
Graeme Lawson wrote:Yo Graeme! Settle a once-vibrant town, eh?
<b> Peter Snott-Smith seems to have missed the point in his obscure calculations; one of the main aims of the festival was to bring people into the area and help the economy - put Settle back on the map and make it the vibrant town it once was.</b>
John, Skipton says...
10:58am Tue 26 Feb 08
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
11:22am Tue 26 Feb 08
C. Niall Dekkay, Settle says...
12:24pm Tue 26 Feb 08
John wrote:Funny old world, isn't it, 'John of Skipton'?
<b> I have visited Settle many times over the years and what I have witnessed is young people with nothing to do apart from hang and mope around the town in gangs drinking. Being such a remote town this is only going to get worse. I thought this would be an ideal opportunity to rejuvinate the town but for farsical reasons people have destroyed the last bit of hope. I hope the disenters have the bottle to come out, show their faces and offer alternatives to the many angry people rather than hide away in there cosy cottages on nice pensions. I also hope the Craven Herald reveal in detail the number of disenters and allow the vast majority to express their discust. Finally Mr C. Niall Dekkay - get a life - instead of putting down other peoples hopes for the towns come up with something yourself. Firstly that is not a dictionary definition but a thesaurus lookup and secondly here\'s an actual dictionary definition for you - Killjoy - a person who spoils the joy or pleasure of others; spoilsport.
</b>
Graeme Lawsonw, i says...
12:33pm Tue 26 Feb 08
C. Niall Dekkay, Settle says...
1:19pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Graeme Lawsonw wrote:By way of a bye-bye, Graeme, may I say how much I've enjoyed your postings even though we disagree about the site - but not the concept - of the festival. All of your comments have been to pertinent, observant, good-humoured and witty. Hope to meet up with you over a pint one of these days. At a well-organized festival perhaps?
<b> Bon Voyage Zorro. One way ticket? Make sure you're back for the festival!</b>
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
1:56pm Tue 26 Feb 08
C. Niall Dekkay, Settle says...
4:38pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Michelle Robinson, Settle says...
5:32pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
5:48pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Sarah George, Giggleswick says...
6:23pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Steve Robinson, Settle says...
6:47pm Tue 26 Feb 08
rachel, settle says...
11:01pm today Tue 26 Feb 08
terry, ingleton says...
5:39pm Wed 27 Feb 08
Kris, Leeds, Leeds says...
10:02pm Wed 27 Feb 08
Kris, Leeds says...
2:28pm Thu 28 Feb 08
Peter Scott-Smith wrote:OMG, what a load of rubbish!
<b> As an observer from a market research background, I thought it might be interesting to analyse the postings on this site to get a TRUE indicator of local sentiment about the Settle Festival. I took as a sample the first 35 postings – ending at 4.10pm Saturday 23 February with a posting by Paul.
Of those 35 postings four were duplicates, all expressing the same view – in support of the event. After eliminating these duplicates, 80.6% of postings supported the festival; 19.4% were against.
In terms of where supporters lived, 32.2% came from Settle and 16.1% from elsewhere in Craven. But the majority of supporters (51.6.%) came from outside the Settle/Craven area – from areas as distant as
These are the raw numbers. You can check them for yourselves – it\'s how you interpret them that matters.
So they must be considered in the light of the following factors:
1. Given that the license application was refused, protestors are far more likely to register their views than those who support the verdict.
2. While there is genuine disappointment in Settle and Craven, a majority of protest emanates from as far afield as Glasgow and London (even Chicago, according to one later posting). It would seem that that the majority of supporters prefer to **** outside their own tents.
3. The fact that a majority of protestors come from outside the area, suggests that the Settle Festival promoters are less interested in providing entertainment for locals than for the rest of the UK. These outsiders, Settle, Giggleswick and Rathmell residents might think, don\'t have to live with the criminal and social aftermath of such a festival.
4. Which in the light of accusations about Festival opponents\' NIMBY-ism, suggests that PISEBY-ism (**** In Someone Else\'s Back Yard) is the name of the game.
</b>
John, Skipton says...
4:29pm Thu 28 Feb 08
C. Cooper, Rathmell says...
5:08pm Thu 28 Feb 08
MISUNDERSTOOD wrote:This speaks for itself. I am a Rathmell resident and this would have been right on my doorstep. I have a young family and did not want this disruption and nuisance, but might have been persuaded had I had any confidence in the ability of the organiser, who is supposed to be an 'experienced' festival organiser, but couldn't even fiull in the form correctly to apply for the annual event he intended and instead applied for a one off event. With this level of competency I always had very serious concerns that the rest of the problems would be adequately addressed and it seems I have been proved correct. Call me what you like, NIMBY or whatever, I care not, but at bankholiday weekend I'll be sitting in my garden enjoying the peace and quiet as it ought to be.
For those of you not in a position to have read the woefully inadequate licence application, here's the licensing committee decision - I warn you it is a little long-winded but worth a read.7. The Committee considered that it was necessary to reject the application for the premises licence so as to promote the four licensing objectives under the Act – 1) The prevention of crime and disorder 2) The prevention of public nuisance 3) Public safety 4) The protection of children from harm 8. In reaching this decision the Committee had regard to the provisions of the Licensing Act 2003, guidance issued under the Act and the Council’s licensing policy 9. In arriving at its decision, the Committee disregarded any information and/or submissions which were not relevant to the licensing objectives under the 2003 Act. 10. In reaching this decision and in considering the application, the statutory representations and the oral evidence presented, the Committee were mindful of the scope to address issues through conditions and that any condition had to be necessary. REASONS 11. In terms of the licensing objectives, a large number of issues were raised in the relevant representations, and considered. The Committee considered that the following were the principal issues that had been raised by the representations - 1) Roads and the Suitability of the Site. 2) Congestion. 3) Issues of Flooding, the River Ribble, Watercourses and Culverts. 4) Sound levels and Nuisance. 5) Planning and Management of the Event. 6) Staffing, Security and Stewarding. 7) Criminal Activity (On and Off the Site). 8) Children and Vulnerable People. 12. In terms of those issues, the Committee determined the following – 1) Roads and the Suitability of Site. Although a traffic management plan had been submitted, the Committee considered this to be inadequate . The plan did not properly address the A65 and pedestrians. The Committee was of the opinion that although Mr Dale had stated his intention to provide crossing points, lighting, traffic lights and stewards, there was nothing in place before them which provided certainty regarding the content of any amended traffic plan and in so far as it could, intended to address the dangers posed to festival goers, pedestrians and other road users on the A65. The suitability of Rathmell Road was also a concern to the Committee bearing in mind the absence of pavements/pedestrian s walk areas and associated dangers to pedestrians. In reaching this view, the Committee accepted the points raised in this regard by the North Yorkshire Police and interested parties. 2) Congestion. The A65 is the main spinal route within Craven and also links West Yorkshire to Kendal and the Lakes. The Committee was of the view that the Festival would lead to congestion on this route and measures such as the introduction of temporary traffic lights on the Settle Bypass would add to this congestion. The Committee was concerned and accepted points raised in the representations that the resulting congestion could impact on the ability of the emergency services to respond to a road traffic accident or other medical emergency in the area concerned to an unacceptable degree . Again, the Committee considered that a clear traffic management plan was not available to the Committee . 3) Flood issues, River Ribble, Watercourses and Culverts. The Committee accepted that the risks posed by the presence of culverts and water courses within the site could be addressed by conditions and the use of fencing and other measures. However, having received and heard submissions from those familiar with the site, they were of the view that in the absence of risk assessments and site evacuation plans the risks and dangers posed to persons on the site, particularly the campsites, as a result of flooding and standing water were not adequately addressed within the plans and the documentation before the Committee. 4) Sound Levels and Noise Nuisance. Having considered representations and the evidence presented by Mr Pickles (the Senior Environmental Health Officer) and Mr Fairclough and whilst acknowledging Mr Dale’s response to those representations and evidence, the Committee concluded that they did not consider that Mr Dale would be able to control noise from the event to the extent that it would not cause nuisance to residents. The Committee noted that Mr Dale said that he would engage the services of Capita Symonds to assist with sound levels but again the Committee had not seen any information and/or plans to allow this to be considered. 5) Planning and Management of the Event. Given the scale and extent of the event, the Committee concluded that the event safety management plan and operating schedule before them was too generic , was not sufficiently advanced and contained insufficient data in terms of policies, procedures and plans to enable them to be assured that Mr Dale was able to satisfy the four licensing objectives under the Act. Mrs Longfield on behalf of the Festival Action Group submitted that the policies were generic and not site specific. The Committee agreed with that. Examples of the policies/documents etc not available to the Committee, or incomplete are- a) Traffic management plan (including pedestrian plan). b) Risk assessments. c) Site evacuation plans . d) Health and safety plan. e) Eviction policy. f) Drugs policy . g) Major incident plan. 6) Staffing, Security and Stewarding. The Committee was concerned at the absence of information in relation to issues highlighted within the representations submitted by North Yorkshire Police . Again, they concluded that the application and supporting management plan contained insufficient detail to give them satisfaction as to the arrangements to be put in place. No site specific arrangements existed. 7) Criminal Activity (On and Off Site) . Again in the absence of sufficient detail within the management plan, absence of clarity on the likely audience profile and taking account of the representations submitted and presented by the North Yorkshire Police , the Committee concluded that they were not in a position to adequately judge at this time Mr Dale’s ability to address the concerns of the Police and residents in relation to the prevention of crime and disorder. Mr Dale referred to the offer of policing from British Transport Police, but again the Committee had not been provided with any detailed information or procedures in this regard. 8) Children and Vulnerable People . Bearing in mind the scale and extent of the event applied for by Mr Dale and the representations submitted by North Yorkshire Police , the Licensing Committee concluded that the management plan lacked clarity on how issues associated with the safety and welfare of children and vulnerable people are to be addressed. 13. North Yorkshire Police and the Interested Parties in particular had raised substantial issues and objections based on all four of the licensing objectives. The Committee heard little from Mr Dale that would rebut those concerns. The Committee decided that it was not workable to address, what was a substantial number of, concerns with conditions and therefore determined that it was necessary to reject the application. Furthermore, the Committee was of the view that it was not able to assess what would be workable conditions given the inadequacy of the documents produced by Mr Dale and the absence before them of important information . The Committee concluded that it was necessary to reject the application to promote the objectives. 14. The application by Mr Dale for a premises licence is therefore rejected.So far from being the "NIMBY's" who have scuppered the festival plans - it seems the Settle Festival Co itself that seems to have shot itself in the foot!!
Graeme Lawson, Ingleton says...
6:00pm Thu 28 Feb 08
Giggleswickian, Giggleswick says...
6:50pm Thu 28 Feb 08
Giggleswickian, Giggleswick says...
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C Cooper, Rathmell says...
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Graham Smithers, Settle says...
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C Cooper, Rathmell says...
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Dan, Derbyshire says...
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Giggleswickian, Giggleswick says...
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Rathmellian, Rathmell says...
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I hate Dave, Settle says...
9:50pm Fri 29 Feb 08
Dave wrote:DRUG RAVE?????? you really are showing your lack of understanding of all things you silly old fool. Please go and die in a corner.
the RIGHT decission has been made. go and get your dirty money from somewhere else and not from here. I will fight your every attempt, before your alowwed your DRUG RAVE here.
Neil Hartley, Rathmell says...
8:53am Sat 1 Mar 08
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Rathmell Resident, Rathmell says...
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julius civis, Settle says...
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****, Settle says...
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Julius Civis, Settle says...
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scholar, skipton says...
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Attila the Stockbroker, Brighton says...
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Attila the Stockbroker, Brighton says...
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Julius Civis, Settle says...
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Julius Civis, Settle says...
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Attila the Stockbroker, Brighton says...
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Rathmellite, says...
4:19pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Attila the Stockbroker wrote:As an experienced festival campaigner you would be better using your undoubted wisdom advising the company directors of Settle Festival Ltd to find an alternative site away from the river basin. Because as you are obviously aware the site is underwater many times throughout the year and no council, craven or not, could grant a licence on this site.
I\'m 50 years old, a performance poet/musician of 28 years\'standing, I\'ve done well over 2500 gigs all over the world and literally hundreds of festivals, so I have more knowledge of what I\'m talking about than a bunch of old curmudgeonly Yorkshire duffers (Northerners more friendly, they tell us - well, in the main I think that\'s true, but obviously not in Settle!) The ridiculous thing is that given the planned headliners at the festival the audience will be mainly in the 30-60 age bracket, and in my vast experience it will be a happy, friendly event with no hassle of any kind. I run a beer/music festival myself...I know. I don\'t think I have ever come across such ridiculously insular, ill informed and unintelligent comment on the nature of festivals as on this site - good luck Mark, and if you don\'t win the appeal let\'s do a small version in one of the local pubs! Council? Craven by name, craven by nature. Vote them out! Cheers A
mark dale, settle says...
2:27am Tue 18 Mar 08
ANON, settle says...
2:52pm Wed 19 Mar 08
budgie, christchurch, new zealand says...
6:15am Sun 23 Mar 08
budgie, christchurch, new zealand says...
6:24am Sun 23 Mar 08
budgie, christchurch. nz says...
3:03am Mon 24 Mar 08
Edward, Paris says...
10:33am Tue 25 Mar 08
budgie, christchurch, n.z. says...
4:19am Sat 29 Mar 08
ryan, london says...
2:14am Mon 31 Mar 08
anony, victoria hall, settle says...
4:57pm Mon 31 Mar 08
budgie wrote:Ooh, go you! Anyway, I don't know what you're so smug about, we had the pink floyd tribute band once. so ner
Dear Anon, Sorry I forgot to mention, BON JOVI performed at the A.M.I. Stadium in Christchurch this year.
settlite, SETTLE! says...
5:02pm Mon 31 Mar 08
Graham Smith, Leeds says...
10:49am Tue 1 Apr 08
El, settle says...
9:54am Wed 2 Apr 08
Budgie, Christchurch says...
7:35am Thu 3 Apr 08
Keith, Liversedge says...
1:45pm Wed 16 Apr 08
A, craven says...
11:09am Thu 17 Apr 08
The Tall Guy, Halifax says...
8:43am Tue 22 Apr 08
Realist, Settle says...
10:24pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Realist, Settle says...
11:02am Sun 1 Jun 08
mark dale, settle says...
4:37am Mon 21 Jul 08
Beware if you live in Clapham N Yorks the festival you have is about to be hi-jacked by settle festival co for permanent licence to increase capacity etc in perpetuity.You have been warned.
mark dale, settle says...
5:09am Mon 21 Jul 08
Budgie, Christchurch, N.Z. says...
7:19am Sun 27 Jul 08
anon wrote:Anon, Sorry to bring up our old debate, but this week my Woman and I have got our tickets to see STEVIE WONDER, , in concert in Christchurch on the 28-10-08. We are not going to see The Eagles, , next month.
Budgie, Christchurch in new zealand is hardly a vibrant, buzzing metropolis now, is it?! New Zealand, a beautiful lovely friendly country, only has a population of 4 million... 3 million of whom live in the north island. If you think Christchurch 'has it', maybe there's hope for Settle too
rob, NE says...
12:20pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Rathmellite, Rathmell says...
9:47pm Wed 3 Sep 08
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Colin Clifford, Settle says...
2:29pm Fri 22 Feb 08